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By Gedvondur (Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 06:11:48 PM EST) travel, airlines, being fucked (all tags)
First, I would like to apologize to all the HuSites who live in the greater SF Bay Area.  My business schedule was such that I couldn’t really take the time for a get-together with you.

Now on to the story of my massively fucked up travel to and from Kal-i-forn-ia and how I nearly got arrested at Sky Harbor Airport in Phoenix, AZ.



One of our customers, $BigSwitchCo in San Jose, wanted us to come to their campus and talk with them regarding the state of the market.  Our sales department got wind of this and wanted to add on to the trip.  “Good will” calls on clients, that kind of thing.  I don’t really mind but the sales team took their sweet-ass time in getting the meetings set up.  Since we were only going to be at $BigSwitchCo for a day, there was some question about how many days we were going to be there.  Well, sales dicked around and we were only able to book a week or so in advance.  Not good.

I live in Green Bay.  In the language of the Airplane Indian tribe “Green Bay” is the word for “No Direct Flights”.  We have to fly to one of three hub cities, Chicago (O’Hell), Detroit, or Minneapolis.  We have a corporate travel portal run through a travel agency.  Consulting this, we found flights that cost a thousand dollars a piece and had us stopping like three or four times.  We consulted Travelocity and Orbitz.  No dice.    So we called up the travel agent.  He was not really able to help.  We ended up with the following itinerary:

Green Bay to Minneapolis
Minneapolis to Las Vegas
Las Vegas to San Jose

On the return:

San Jose to Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix, AZ to Minneapolis
Minneapolis to Green Bay

These flights were ticketed on Northwest but with the exception of the Minneapolis-Green Bay legs, they were all code share on US Airways.  Lovely.  But it got the job done, so we took the flights.  And yes, we looked into SFO as well.  The flights were no better there.

So the flight out happens uneventfully.  No real hiccoughs, just a long day of travel.  The fun started the evening before the return.

We had been told that the rental car returns at San Jose airport were brutal on Friday mornings, even more so early in the morning due to less shuttle buses running.  A lot of people in the Silicon Valley do a “weekly commute” and Friday is their return day.  Most of them take the earliest flights possible.  In addition, we were told that the security lines at San Jose would be bad for the same reason.

No problem.  We planned on turning in the car the night before and taking a taxi to the airport the next morning at 4:15am.  But this means early to bed for us. Yay, planning.

So we are driving out to San Jose airport from nearby Milpitas when my by co-worker $Gadget remembers:  We have a 7:00 meeting tonight.  And it’s six thirty.  Damnation and hellfire.  Okay, so we rush to the meeting site, getting there on time.  We had a nice meeting, probably about an hour and a half.  We return to the airport to drop off the car.  Just as we are about to pull in to the rental lot, we remember:  We haven’t gassed the car back up.  The rental car place will give us a petroleum-based anal inspection for the tune of about eight bucks a gallon if we return our trusty Ford Taurus with only half a tank.  So $Gadget pulls the car back out and we drive several miles up the road and gas up the Ford family truckster.  Then, it’s back to the rental place and a cab ride back to our fabulous accommodations in Milpitas.  By the time we get back and grab something to eat it is 10:30.  After packing and calming down enough to sleep, 11:30.  So much for getting to bed early.

At about 2:30 in the a.m. $Gadget gets a call from US Airways on his cell to the effect of:

Attention Air Traveler:  Your flight out of San Jose is delayed by an hour and a half.  You are going to miss all your connections.  No, we are not telling you why or what to do about it.  Ha ha!

$Gadget informs me of this when we meet outside for the taxi the hotel has arranged for us.  Well, all we can do is go there and see what US Airways can do.  As we are being taken to the (in a beat up mini-van I might add) I notice there is no meter in the car.  Strange for a taxi.  Turns out this is a car-for-hire or a “town car” as they say in New York.  He pulls up to the US Airways terminal and demand twenty five dollars.  A bit more than a similar taxi ride, but only by about five bucks.  I pull out two twenties and ask him:  “Do you have change?”  Well, I see the wheels of this little cretin’s mind working over and he says “No, I’m sorry I have no change.”  Fuck-a-duck.  I check with $Gadget, who is replete with credit cards but has no cash.  I give the driver a ration of shit and then give him the forty dollars.  Fuck it, I don’t have time to find change.  The airport is getting busy and we need to dance with US Airways.  With one last glare at the driver, we head inside.

US Airways is surprisingly helpful.  We have a young chiquita all ready and willing to help us.  She furiously works the terminal, occasionally stepping away to consult with her supervisor.  For our part, $Gadget and I are silent to see what the verdict is.  This is the last point in the day where things look better before we get home.

Our Chiquita hands us over a paper check for about $340.00. She also hands us some other paperwork.  Alarm bells begin to go off in my head.  She tells us she has arranged for a flight on Southwest to Phoenix.  From there we can take the rest of our pre-arranged flights home.  $Gadget and I look at each other, shrug and take the check and paperwork.  The check, on closer inspection, is made out to Southwest Airlines.  Odd, but whatever. 

We hoof it to a shuttle bus, which takes us to the “A” terminal where Southwest is.  We get inside and get in the “We Need Help” line.  There are about thirty mouth-breathers in this line, morons who can’t actually work the automated check-in kiosks.  In order to encourage use of the automated kiosks, Southwest has helpfully only put one person on customer service.  We proceed to wait in line what seemed at this point like forever, our IQs slowly being drained by the lack of though around us.

Upon reaching the customer service representative, we give her the check.  She is efficient, if not friendly.  We are about to walk away when $Gadget notices something.  Our baggage isn’t checked all the way through to Green Bay.  Only to Phoenix.  He points this out to our surly little ticket agent who then informs us, “Southwest Airlines does not have reciprocity with any other airline.  If you need your bags moved to US Airways, you will have to exit the secured area in Phoenix and get your bags from our baggage claim and check them into US Airways.”  We proceed to argue with her for a minute, but it is clear:  Southwest could care less about passenger refugees from US Airways.  The surly little bit of fluff even went so far to say “We don’t even have service to Green Bay!” as if that was a desirable condition. 

So $Gadget and I consult.  Our US Airways chiquita had to have known this right?  Sure!  She gave us and hour and a half between the Southwest flight and our departure from Phoenix.  She even said so.  (Although she failed to mention the baggage thing)  It was going to be suck, but we could go out, get our bags, and check them into US Airways and then go back in through security.  Heck, we figured we would even have time for a smoke!  Silly little travelers.

We take our Southwest flight to Phoenix.  For the record, Southwest is staffed by some of the rudest and uncaring people I have ever encountered.  Everyone I encountered was frowning, sneering or just plain unfriendly.  That and my fellow passengers seemed to all be lacking certain……intelligence.  I’m willing to withhold judgment on the passengers.  It is possible that after years of flying Southwest, they were just too depressed to say anything.

We get off the plane in Phoenix.  $Gadget checks his iPhone.  God’s Balls, the time zone.  The mother-loving time zone.  We don’t have an hour and a half.  We have a half an hour.  Worse, the gate we need to get to is on the OPPOSITE SIDE of the airport.  Virtually the entire airport will need to be transversed to get to our departure gate.  We quickly decide to go to our terminal and consult with US Airways.  We jog across the airport, laptops in hand.  $Gadget beats me to the gate by a good minute; my fat ass just can’t keep up.  Its fifteen minutes to departure. 

We grab a gate agent and tell her the story of “No Reciprocity”.  She asks us what we expect her to do.  I tell her I expect my luggage to arrive in Green Bay (doesn’t have to be today), and that means if a US Airways employee has to fetch it from Southwest, so be it.  This isn’t an acceptable option to her.

She tells us our plane is delayed by a half an hour.  She looks at the security line and tells us we have time to get our bags and get back.  $Gadget and I look at each other, resignation in our eyes.  We go out and hoof it over to the Southwest baggage claim marked “San Jose”.

The belt is turning; the baggage claim is going round and round.  Luggage is vomiting forth from the untold depths of Sky Harbor Airport.  I see some of the mouth-breathers from our Southwest flight picking up the luggage that they have tied brightly colored bits of string to in order to help their pattern recognition processes.  More baggage spews forth.  More mouth-breathers take their bags.  Time is a-wasting; I have had about three hours sleep and nothing to eat.  My sense of humor and good will towards my fellow man is at low ebb.  Suddenly the baggage belt stops.  Then the baggage claims stops its endless circle with the finality of a bullet to the temple.

$Gadget and I begin to jog towards the Southwest baggage claim, on the far far end of the claim area.  Each step takes us farther and farther away from our plane home.  I have a sudden suspicion and I glance at the next baggage claim.  There, sitting like lost children is our luggage.  On a baggage claim marked “El Paso”.  Stellar fucking job, Southwest.  Southwest must figure “San Jose & El Paso hmmmm…..they are both Spanish names.  Must be close together. No point in making sure the baggage goes on the right belt!”  Never mind those two cities aren’t even in the same mother-loving state.   

We grab our luggage and make the mad dash to the US Airways ticket counter to check the luggage in.  The lines are non-existent.  $Gadget goes to one lady and I run over to another dude, about twenty feet apart.  I tell him this bag is for our flight to Minneapolis.  He looks at me as if I have grown a large and hairy testicle out of my forehead. The ensuing conversation went something like this:

Male Ticket Agent:  “You can’t check in bags less than twenty minutes before the flight leaves.  No exceptions.”

Me:  “But our flight is delayed!  The gate agent told us to do this.”

MTA:  “No.”

Me:  “But how are we…..”
MTA:  “No.  NO.  No exceptions”

I look over at $Gadget.  His female agent is taking his bag.  I point over there, just as $Gadget is getting ready to walk away.

Me:  “She took his bags!  He’s traveling with me!”

MTA:  (yelling now) “Hey!  You can’t take those bags!”

Shit.  I just got $Gadget busted.  We all go over by the female agent.  She takes the goddamn tag OFF of $Gadget’s luggage and proceeds to call a supervisor.  This whole time, me and the MTA are giving each other the hairy eyeball.  The MTA gives me one last glare and grunts before moving off.  The female ticket agent tells us our flight has left.

I am at about 9 on the pissed off scale at this point.  The FTA starts to fuss about getting us another flight and is essentially blaming us for causing the problem I start to tell her what happened when she points at me and says:

“Sir!  Stand back twenty feet and let me take care of this gentleman! (indicating $Gadget)”

I throw my hands into the air “Fine.  I might as well go out and have a smoke.  We missed the damn plane anyway!”  I walk to the nearest exit with my laptop bag and go out.  I fire up a Marlboro Menthol Light 100 and slowly drag that smoke down.  I take it slow, enjoying each puff.  My stomach is growling, my blood sugar is low and I am pissed.  US Airways has managed to fuck us six ways from Sunday.  Bad advice on top of bad advice.  I take the time to calm down.  I am close to losing it completely and I need to be in a better frame of mind.  About half way through the smoke, I realize I have left my main bag next to $Gadget’s leg.  No worries, $Gadget has got it.  I finish calming down and walk back into the airport.

I notice, near the rope entrance to US Airways is a gaggle of four cops in uniform.  City fellows from Phoenix PD, not the standard TSA Tards.  They look at me.  I look at them, but keep walking.  I navigate the rope maze and get back to where $Gadget is still standing, talking to FTA.  I walk up and apologize to the FTA for losing my temper.  I look back and the cops are dispersing, going back to wherever it is that cops hang out at in an airport.  $Gadget tell me the MTA had called the cops on me for “abandoning a bag” even though it was practically touching $Gadget’s leg.  I glare over at MTA who glares back, but we say nothing.  Assclown.  $Gadget told the cops he was watching it for me (and he was) and told them the story of our day.  He also gave them his business card.  That seemed to calm them down.  I owe $Gadget big time for that.

Meantime, FTA is looking to get us home.  After 45 minutes of phone calls and computer searches it comes down to this:  It’s the Friday before Thanksgiving and two days before a home Packer game.  There are no seats from anywhere to be had to Green Bay. Or Appleton. (30 miles south of Green Bay)  She can get us to Milwaukee at 12:45 at night.  Gadget and I will have been up for like 18 hours by then.  Only an hour and a half drive home from there, but we will be in no shape to make the drive.  More searching.  She can get us in to Chicago at 6:00 at night.  We decide to take it.  It is a four hour drive to Green Bay in an expensive one way rental car, but it still gets us home before the Milwaukee flight would have even landed.  She issues tickets and takes our luggage.

We then go through security.  Extra-special security where they do everything but tell you to bend and spread ‘em.  This is because we changed our destination city.  No big deal, for once the TSA is friendly and fairly fast, even with the extra security check.

To finish this up, I got home at about 11:30 at night, after dropping off the rental car and taking $Gadget home. 

Never have I been fucked by an airline like this.  Don’t get me wrong, I have been lied to by airlines, delayed, re-routed and generally messed with.  But NEVER have I dealt with such a hostile and indifferent bunch as I came across in the form of US Airways and to a lesser extent Southwest.  The ticket agent is San Jose fucked us hard by putting us on Southwest.  Her only concern was to preserve the last to legs of our flight on their airline.  No thought to luggage or time between flights.  The gate agent in Phoenix who sent us out for our bags should have known we couldn’t check them in so close to the flight.  The MTA and FTA took the most impolite and least customer service oriented path with us when we came to them.  All I wanted was for somebody to say “I’m sorry, we will make this right.”

And that is my long-assed story about my air travel last week.

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Sadly by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #1 Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 06:41:49 PM EST
Most people involved in the airline industry are far more interested in convincing you to go away than actually helping you.
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That does seem by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #2 Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 06:58:27 PM EST
To be the case.  They certainly did a good job with me.  I will never go near US Airways or Southwest again.

Gedvondur
"It is virtually impossible to effectively aim a jellyfish, a creature created by God almost solely for the purpose of not flying."- CRwM
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I'm really appreciating American Express by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #3 Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 07:29:46 PM EST
as we go through them for travel, and fixing screwups. Not as bad as yours, but there was the one time the motel switchboard never updated their area codes, so I couldn't call home, or my office.

I also have to deal with the living in a city too small for direct to anything but Atlanta, OHare, or Dulles.




AmEx travel is the BEST by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #22 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:20:35 AM EST
Honestly they rock.  They kick the crap out of our company travel.  Had them at the last firm I worked for.

Gedvondur
"It is virtually impossible to effectively aim a jellyfish, a creature created by God almost solely for the purpose of not flying."- CRwM
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It's worth it for our company by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #25 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:03:32 AM EST
as we have lots of field engineers traveling 20 weeks a year. My bud hit 10,000 miles in January one year.


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Whenever I fly, I charter a Gulfstream V by chuckles (2.00 / 0) #4 Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 07:33:37 PM EST
You should look into it.

Skateboarding is a crime.




And that's why... by Vertical Frankenstein (4.00 / 1) #5 Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 08:54:53 PM EST
...I'm driving 12 hours for Thanksgiving rather than flying 3 hours (or 15 hours if the airlines fuck up, which is likely).



Couple things by FlightTest (4.00 / 1) #6 Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 10:32:32 PM EST
One point in defense of the agent in San Jose. Arizona does not follow DST. SO, up until a week ago, you WOULD have had a hour and a half in Phoenix. In fact you were traveling right after the change. I truly believe that part was an honest error, she forgot that Arizona was now an hour ahead. Speaking of which, I forsee people being late when we travel to Yuma next week.

My #1 rule of flying commercial (okay, #2 rule because #1 rule is DON'T unless absolutely necessary and unavoidable) is never, ever, check luggage. Yes this sucks. Either travel light or FedEx your stuff. You can FedEx your stuff ahead ground which is slower, but cheaper. Only take one change of clothing in a backpack onboard, but do not check luggage.

Learning to fly is ~$7000 or so for a private pilots license. I have made it from Appleton, WI to Long Beach, CA in one day, with one stop in Tucumcari, NM in a fast single engine airplane with six hour tanks. I also have made it from Pascagula, MS to Fullerton, CA in a rather slow (~40 kts slower than the fast single) twin in one day, with 2 stops for fuel and a hour or more spent repairing a balky fuel cap in Junction, TX (included in the 2 fuel stops). Going east you often have prevailing winds with you, but you can't do it all in the daylight. Both trips were made completely VFR.



Questions by Vertical Frankenstein (2.00 / 0) #7 Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 10:47:48 PM EST
How much did gas cost? Also, do you own a plane or did you rent one (can you rent planes)?

Also, I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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Answers by FlightTest (2.00 / 0) #10 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 01:21:57 AM EST
The trip from Appleton to Long Beach I can't recall for sure, it was ~5 years ago, but avgas was around $3.50 a gallon then and I seem to recall it burned around 12 gal/hr. Ye ol logbook says 9.4 hours so ~$400 for gas. That airplane I did not own, I worked for Mooney at the time and it was a relatively new company airplane.

The trip from Pascagula to Fullerton, was in an airplane We'd just bought. Being a twin, there's two engines to feed, and the Apache is a lot slower than that Mooney was. However, the engines in the Apache are smaller and burn less gas so it burns about 18 gal/hr total. Fuel for that trip was ~$800.

Fuel costs don't noticeably go up with passengers though. If you take someone with you the fuel costs are essentially the same, halving the cost per person. Most "four seat" airplanes can pretty much only take 2 adults with baggage and full tanks though.

Yes, you can rent airplanes, though it's tough to get someone to let you rent an airplane to fly across the country. Where higher performance airplanes are available, it's more likely they'll let you have those for extended periods because they understand that's how you get utility out of them.

Actually, the best airplane economy wise I've flown is the older Mooney (smaller engine and slower than the company airplane I flew when I worked for Mooney) we sold when we bought the Apache. It usually worked out to 19 miles/gallon, better than most SUV's. The Apache is pretty abysmal in fuel economy, but it's a LOT bigger inside and more comfortable. Were I single, I'd have kept the Mooney, but it's not a family-friendly airplane.

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checking luggage by aphrael (2.00 / 0) #8 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 01:18:27 AM EST
is not so bad when you have a direct flight.

when you have connecting flights ... holy shit.


If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
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I suppose by FlightTest (2.00 / 0) #11 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 01:26:30 AM EST
Less chances for it to get lost. But even still, it can get screwed up. Gedvondur's flight from San Jose to Phoenix was direct and their bags ended up on the wrong carousel. It can also not get loaded, and stuff can be easily stolen, because every thief on the planet has a set of the TSA keys.

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Checked Luggage by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #20 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:15:23 AM EST
In the age of the All Powerful TSA, checked luggage is a reality.  I can't pack business clothes for a week into a carry-on.  And I can't get my company to pay for Fed-Ex next day service (or shipping for my bags of any sort) so I can have my bags shipped there.

9 times out of 10, I haven't had any problem with the checked luggage.  Oftentimes, my luggage has a more direct and enjoyable route than I do.  For instance, on our way to San Jose, our luggage flew direct on Northwest, while we had a layover in Las Vegas.  It was waiting for us in San Jose when we arrived.

As to the theft thing, unless they are interested in business attire for a fat guy, or my new age deodorant, I don't see anybody stealing anything out of my baggage.  I simply don't put anything valuable in there.

I think the problem with learning to fly for me is two-fold.

1st, heights make me nervous and sharp drops terrify me.  I can't even ride a Ferris wheel.  I would never be able to get over the feeling of my stomach floating.  This is the biggest problem.  I can't emphasize enough the barely suppressed panic and terror when even a big commercial liner drops  for a second or two.

2nd, I hit my head when I was 15. Three skull fractures and a major concussion.  Ever since then, I get motion sick on small planes.  Not usually puking sick, but close.

Gedvondur
"It is virtually impossible to effectively aim a jellyfish, a creature created by God almost solely for the purpose of not flying."- CRwM
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I don't know what you do by FlightTest (4.00 / 1) #40 Thu Nov 22, 2007 at 01:59:26 AM EST
But ask yourself: "How much is avoiding the hassle worth to me"? If that number is greater than the cost of FedExing your stuff to wherever you're going, then does it matter if the company won't pick up the tab?

You don't have to do it every time either. On routes where you go direct and it's worked out okay, check it. If you get a last minute, 3 connection flight, FedEx it.

Not that you care, but my current company doesn't pay my airplane expenses either. They pay the mileage as if I had driven, and in fact I've been instructed to just put the mileage on my expense report. While that doesn't cover gas in the Apache, I don't care. I don't mind paying the difference to avoid driving through San Diego and across the California desert to Yuma. I think they pay the mileage as plausible deniablity. If I wreck enroute, they can claim they didn't know I was flying, and point to past ER's where I've claimed mileage to support that claim. If they said tomorrow I couldn't even claim mileage, I still would fly rather than drive when I could.

I do agree with the inability to carry on business clothes for a week. However I think that went out with deregulation, not the TSA, because deregulation meant the airlines needed to sell a ticket for the space occupied by the small suitrack that airplane used to have to allow businessmen to hang their clothes bag. Overhead bins haven't gotten smaller over the years, but passenger loads have gotten higher, so there just isn't any extra room in the airplane anymore.

Learning to fly isn't for everyone, no matter how much I rah rah it. I think more people could, so I try to get people thinking about it.

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southwest prides themselves on their service. by aphrael (4.00 / 3) #9 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 01:19:09 AM EST
writing a polite, but firmly angry, letter to their ceo will almost certainly get you an apology on a gold platter.

If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.


I'm a lot by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #19 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:06:20 AM EST
Less upset with Southwest than I am with US Airways.  Their part in this is relatively minor, but I will keep that in mind if I ever fly on them again.  Living in the midwest, that isn't likely.

Gedvondur
"It is virtually impossible to effectively aim a jellyfish, a creature created by God almost solely for the purpose of not flying."- CRwM
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yeah. by aphrael (4.00 / 1) #27 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:44:29 AM EST
you have every right to be livid at us air.

i would expect them to have compensated you for the rental car, at least.

If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
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Rental Car by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #33 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 03:17:22 PM EST
They NEVER compensate for rental cars.  They always offer you other flights, but will never pay for another form of transport.  At least, that has been my experience.

Gedvondur
"It is virtually impossible to effectively aim a jellyfish, a creature created by God almost solely for the purpose of not flying."- CRwM
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big switch co by MillMan (4.00 / 1) #12 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 02:38:49 AM EST
I work about 2000 feet from there.

US Airways is on my Do Not Fly list. I can't even remember why they pissed me off in the first place anymore, but whenever I fly out of SFO, their check in lines are always overflowing. Always.

I've gone to Portland (Maine) for work twice, and I fly direct into Boston. I will. not. transfer. at. o'hare. anymore.

When I'm imprisoned as an enemy combatant, will you blog about it?


Heh by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #17 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:02:57 AM EST
$Gadget could have run you down on the sidewalk with our rental car!

I wish I had time while I was there to see everyone, but man, it was a packed trip.

Gedvondur
"It is virtually impossible to effectively aim a jellyfish, a creature created by God almost solely for the purpose of not flying."- CRwM
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us air is also on my do not fly list by aphrael (4.00 / 1) #28 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:46:17 AM EST
because they bought america west, which had been on my do not fly list.

oh, holy shit. ged flew us air through pheonix, which means he was flying america west.

that explains a lot.


If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
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Actually by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #32 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 03:15:50 PM EST
I think that US Airways was Mommy in that deal, being in bankruptcy at the time.  They are going to run under the name "US Airways" but I'm pretty sure America West was Daddy.

Gedvondur
"It is virtually impossible to effectively aim a jellyfish, a creature created by God almost solely for the purpose of not flying."- CRwM
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regardless of who was playing dominatrix by aphrael (4.00 / 1) #34 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 03:43:47 PM EST
corporate cultures don't evolve overnight, and that means the new monstrosity is infected with the horrors of the old corporate culture.

If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
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they're on mine too. by garlic (4.00 / 1) #41 Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 03:57:58 PM EST
I did a priceline plane ticket once, that got US airs, 1 stop to baltimore. That trip we waited on the plane on the way back for 2 hours before takeoff, with flight attendents insisting that our connections would have been delayed as well. Obviously they weren't. I'd have rather stayed in baltimore at family's house then the hotel in pittsburgh.

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Southwest by jayhawk88 (4.00 / 1) #13 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 08:34:15 AM EST
It is possible that after years of flying Southwest, they were just too depressed to say anything.

Actually they all just had their game faces on, preparing themselves for the inevitable "Race to the good seats" cattle rush, jockeying for the best position to get to the walkway first.

What's really hilarious to me is that Southwest now trumpets this as a good thing in their commercials. "Pick whatever seat you want!" Yeah that's great in the commercial when there are 5 people on an entire 737, but when 150 people are "poised at the starting gate" so to speak, not so much.



Well by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #16 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:01:12 AM EST
For me, Southwest isn't something I really need to worry about too much outside of that experience.  They don't fly in my part of the country.

I was blown away by the cattle call thing.  Never seen anything like it before.  Worked out okay for me, but jeez, that could be a monumental screwing.

Gedvondur
"It is virtually impossible to effectively aim a jellyfish, a creature created by God almost solely for the purpose of not flying."- CRwM
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apparently by aphrael (4.00 / 1) #29 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:47:16 AM EST
it dramatically reduces the amount of time it takes to board a plane, meaning they can turn planes around faster, maximizing the efficiency of their use of boarding gates.


If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
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it seemed to in my experience by R343L (2.00 / 0) #38 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 05:17:06 PM EST
Though I only flew with them half a dozen times or so. The thing that drives me nuts are the board by number thing that United does: yes, it means if you paid more for a ticket or whatever it does you get to board earlier, but it is stupid to have a 50 row plane and let a bunch of people in rows 15-30 board, then have everyone that is behind them push thru. Arg.

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i've never understood by aphrael (2.00 / 0) #39 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 05:24:50 PM EST
why airlines board from the front rather than from the back.


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Okay - I'll say it by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 2) #14 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 08:51:31 AM EST
If you didn't live in Green Friggin Bay this never would have happened you know. I mean you live in a town where people walk around with cheese triangles on their heads for crikey sakes.

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Says the Guy from Cleveland by Gedvondur (4.00 / 1) #15 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 08:59:23 AM EST
The Turd of Ohio.  "Browns" isn't just a name, it's a description!

You crack me up, Bobby!

Gedvondur
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At least we don't wear cheese on our heads by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 2) #18 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:04:08 AM EST
Who sits around and thinks thats a good idea?

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Ya know by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #21 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:19:43 AM EST
In all seriousness, I'm not sure where that came from.

I find that most of the people wearing cheese on their heads tend to be either crazy monster fans, or Packer fans from out of the area.  I have had to deliver cheese heads to several out of the area people.  Honestly it seems more popular outside of Green Bay than in it.

Strange, honestly.  I don't own one.  But I do think that the strangest one I have seen is the Cheese Butts.  Foam cheese for girls to strap to their asses.  In the shape of buttocks.  I have no idea why.

Gedvondur
"It is virtually impossible to effectively aim a jellyfish, a creature created by God almost solely for the purpose of not flying."- CRwM
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Actually it is pretty funny by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 1) #23 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:28:17 AM EST
I've always thought Packer fans were some of the best fans.

I drove through parts of Wisconsin a few years ago on my way to Minn. and all I remember was the beautiful scenery and lots of signs promoting the sales of cheese and fireworks.

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Well by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #24 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:57:26 AM EST
Eating and blowing things up are staple pastimes around here.

Gedvondur
"It is virtually impossible to effectively aim a jellyfish, a creature created by God almost solely for the purpose of not flying."- CRwM
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Cheese *and* fireworks by Herring (4.00 / 1) #30 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 01:53:23 PM EST
I want to move there.

Wait, this wouldn't be Amercian "cheese" would it?

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US Airways is by muchagecko (4.00 / 2) #26 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:33:41 AM EST
based in the city of brotherly love, yo. If you'd grown up in Philly you'd understand.

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Look on the bright side: by greyrat (4.00 / 2) #31 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 02:40:26 PM EST
At least you avoided flying out of O'Hare (even if you did land there). If you'd tried that, I'm sure you'd have slit your belly open on the concourse.
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i'm flying to dallas tomorrow. by aphrael (4.00 / 1) #35 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 03:44:39 PM EST
one of the flights which came up when jared searched was a flight changing planes in o'hare, with a 40 minute or so layover.

40 minute layover? in o'hare? on thankgsiving day?

fuck that shit.

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Ummmm. I think jared was confusing minutes by greyrat (2.00 / 0) #36 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 04:06:23 PM EST
and hours.
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no by aphrael (4.00 / 1) #37 Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 04:13:37 PM EST
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